Venus/ Saturn revisited and Gran Torino

While laying here naked in the backwoods of Oregon trying to find the stars through the thick fucking trees while eating a bowl of cherrios with chocolate hemp milk, I began to think back on yesterdays blog on Venus and Saturn, and realized I may have been a bit extreme in my interpretation, and wanted to add a bit to it.

The beautiful thing about the Venus and Saturn relationship, and those that are natives of the intensive aspects of this, is their capacity to love and endure in loving relationships through all. I stated in the article that due to early childhood development, a feeling of being unloved and under appreciated can develop. The native feels he/she must EARN love through following through with what can be perceived to be EXPECTATIONS.

The process of dealing with the above can go one of two directions. Either the person can withdraw into a feeling of being unloved, or they can give love unconditionally to those that they do care about..usually a select few, and often in doing so put themselves in a position of being taken advantage of.

Both of these expressions seem to be opposing dramas, but seek to have the same effect...and that is to somehow ultimately draw that loving relationship to the self. The psychological profile of the latter example holds on ultimately to the value that they know how to love and endure anything through their capacity of love. They are ultimately learning how recapture the self worth through these efforts...by ultimately learning do drop their fear and choose those that are truly worthy of their love. They are PROVING to themselves THROUGH others that they have great VALUE.
The former, or aloof withdrawal, has grown exhausted of the perception of ephemeral love and may even believe that it doesn't exist. They seek to have others PROVE TO THEM that they are worth valuing by finding value in them.
I wrote in the former article of the feeling that love comes and goes, that the purpose of relationships outlive their course and this can be frightening to the native of Venus and Saturn. The truth is that their are alot of relationships that do come and go, and where are the Venus/ Jupiter native gets great pleasure out of this, Venus/ Saturn natives are more concerned with those that have longevity, that can endure the tests of hardships and time. There is trial and error through the lifetime in lessons of relationship, and in the way of the above example, they are often one sided with one person on either side doing all of the loving or receiving all of the love....embodying the Venus and Saturn archetype respectively. It is from here that the concept of paying for love gets tied in, whether this be the extreme of prostitution or doing great work in order to please the boss, or doing the chores in order to please the father....in all of these cases the value is defined in the short term on both sides of the equation.

In the end, through great endurance and in TIME, Venus/ Saturn will draw and find the souls that they feel match them in integrity, endurance and value...where energy exchanges more evenly without the feeling of being taken or having to take in fear. These relationships will have been truly earned, and better yet, they will be greatly worth it.


Yesterday I went to see the new Clint Eastwood movie "Gran Torino". I found Clint's character to be a great example of the Venus/ Saturn in strenuous aspects. His character in the movie is an old school war vet who has withdrawn into his own world, clearly demonstrating that he feels that the worlds value system is changing for the worst, leaving him as an island unto himself. As the movie progresses, we see a softer Venetian side to his character through pictures of his deceased wife and his stories of things that were worth fighting for....we see that capacity to love...it may not be easy or very many that he expressed this love to, but when he found someone who he could share his values with and who could appreciate them, the love was a solid one. In the movie, along came a young troubled boy who although tried to steal from Clint, was a "tabula rosa" that ultimately Clint saw needed help, and circumstance led to him helping him. He took on the role of the strict Saturnine father, giving him discipline as his way of expressing friendship, yet the relationship took on a whole new level when the young boy looked him in the eye and told him how much he APPRECIATED what Clint was doing. The irony in the movie was that even relationships that had lasted a long time such as Clint's family, didn't hold this place in his heart because of the separation of the value system. Clint himself instilled in the boy a value system that he could appreciate, and in the end, ultimately sacrificed his very life for his new friend.